Talk:Vivienne de Tabris/@comment-2601:1C0:5A00:28B1:1554:954A:8CC8:EDBE-20181102080831/@comment-44732689-20200101065948

It cannot be the crones.

Vivianne says her mom told her how the curse became: Her parents would often spend time (while with child) in the very spot Vivienne spends time. And a creature that dwells in that specific forest, a forest only 100m away from the tournament area, told her parents that the forest belonged to the creature not the parents. It demanded payment from the parents that enjoyed the forest so much, but the parents said they had nothing, so it claimed the unborn daughter. The mother often wished her daughter would be as beautiful as an oriel bird, and the claim + wish = curse. So nothing anywhere ties it anywhere close to Velen.

They even go as far as to discuss the nature of the creature. A nymph of the woods.