Talk:Vivienne de Tabris/@comment-2601:1C0:5A00:28B1:1554:954A:8CC8:EDBE-20181102080831/@comment-2600:1004:B00F:2C26:BCF6:B711:F17A:FB52-20190626203143

It wasn't the Crones. They control the swamp and bog that is literally several days if not more, further North in Velen. The bog and Toussaint are separate nations separated by hundreds of, if not more, miles. The Crones have remained in that area for virtually all of their time, well before anyone in our story was alive.

Vivienne's parents where cursed there, in Toussaint, in the SAME woods where she finds the lake that alters her form. That is not the territory of the Crones and it never has been, they just aren't anywhere close. Also, if it had been the crones, or one of them, they would have been identified instead of referred to as an uknown creature. As cool as it it would have been to tie it into that, it's just not possible.

Lastly, when the doll with the feathers is selected, Geralt specifically remarks of the how it could very well be related the Phillipa Eilheart. (The feathers are also the wrong color and kind to be or represent a Golden Oriole, the bird that Vivienne was cursed after).

Sorry to be "that guy" but trying to connect those two is "reaching" to the point of breaking.