I have been taking look at the timeline and sure I know, Timeline in the Witcher universe is something kinda impossible because Mr. Sapkowski did not really followed his own dates and made it really impossible.
however I have a question that you might be able to answer.
The Season of the storms clearly statest it takes place in the 1245 yet on the page, it is stated that the year is incorrect and should be much later based on the dates of the saga. My question is this - what exactly indicates that? I ask because I was trying to make some internal chronology - Geralt´s birth and sacking of Kaer Morhen and I kinda used this date as a jumping point, But now, I am no longer sure as it might me wrong.
Could you please tell me what was the "info" that point you to the conclusion that the year 1245 is wrong? (or point me to other admin that knows ;) )
thank you very much and I wish you very succesfull new year ;)
Thx for the wishing, it does look good for me so far and I believe it trully will be successful.
As my pal Miki already managed to point out, mentions of Dandelion's time at the Oxenfurt Academy and how he became bard due to his love for Countess de Stael in TTotS are what points to Mr making an error.
In The Tower of the Swallow, when discussing Half a Century of Poetry, Geralt states Dandelion started to do poetry at 19 and his "service to the poetry" lasts less than 20 years; this means he is around 38. 1267-19=1248; three years after the supposed date of Season of Storms.
1250s match much better because the meeting with Yen in The Bounds of Reason 4 years after the breakup can be then understood as the meeting after their first breakup. It matches both Dandy's age and the date of The Last Wish short story used in games, that is 1249.
the thing that "bothers" me is that this approach is "double edged sword" in a way, We are disregarding an explicit date stated in the book for something mentioned by a character.
I mean, if we use this approach to other parts of the story - namely Triss and her birth, the entire story kinda fell apart.
Though I will not dispute it further (the timeline is unfortunately incostient with itself straith from the books and there is nothing we can try, that would change it.
though in the Timeline article, there are few obvious errors - for example, it says that Shard of ice takes place before the Season of Storms. It most certainly does not. The Season of the storms takes place roughly a year afther the Last Wish, thus the Shard of Ice takes place three years after the Season. ;)
Part of me would like to go through all the books once again a fix it, but I know it would be a lost cause entirely... :(
Well I had an idea to kinda make the timeline work in my head but I gave up - I felt like the Darhema´s golem in TW2 - one contradiction after another. I think that there is no way to make a full timeline unles there are some major retcons. Not even Geralt´s age makes sense. By the facts given in the books, he should be well over 120 years old during the second war. Yet I remember Mr. Sapkowski said he thinks Geralt is in his 60s and in TW3 (1272) Vesemir says that Geralt is almost a century old. But it makes no sense.....
Anyway, since there is no point to continue, my question is what is the most needed right now? I would guessed that the Netflix series is now quite hot, thus articles about that are in high demand, But I noticed that there is still quite a lot of stuff from the books missing. Would it be ok if I take a look at that book stuff?
Replying late but nevertheless doing so is becoming my sort off speciality ehrm... Yes! Our archives are still largely incomplete so if you feel like adding missing book information, you're more than welcome to do so ;)
I'm a huge fan of The Witcher books and games, and I can't wait for the upcoming Netflix show. I was wondering what I could do to help out on the wiki and I noticed that the The Witcher Wiki has recently had a revamp of new backgrounds and a new header to match the upcoming Netflix TV series. I am a graphic designer and I thought I would have a go in photoshop creating a new logo for the wiki header based around the Neflix show's title design. Let me know what you think and if you think I should change anything, and of course if you like it then you are more than welcome to use it on the wiki header! :)
While nice, the problem with the wordmark is that Fandom only allows a very small image, so the thin font style that the show uses would be very difficult to read :( (as in, less than 65px in height small). That aside, I've combined the show's logo itself in with the fatter font from the games so it's still readable.
I agree with what Mechemik has stated here with font design and all that. Nevertheless, I am glad you took the time to create something like this for us and - as you can see - it pushed us to find a solution. Thank you for your efforts ;)
PS: I sincerely hope you like it here and, with the awesomeness that will be the upcoming Netflix show, decide to stay for a while. If you ever need anything, feel free to message me.
I put it that way to note that they do have children (or spouse, brother, relative, etc.) but we don't know their names. Unless you can think of a better way to note that? Unfortuantely trying to use "unknown" doesn't really work here as otherwise that could apply to everyone theortically that they have unknown parents (just never met them) rather "unnamed" notes they do recognize they knew their parent, sibling, etc. just we (the readers) were never told their names.
Eh, using "a" doesn't really fit well grammatically. For example, say you have someone who was married more than once but didn't know the names of one of them. It'd read like "a wife (deceased), Lily" which doesn't go well together. Essentially "a" only works if there's a single name in that related field.
My name's Chris and I'm a Fandom Wiki Manager as part of the Movies/TV vertical.
I am currently redeveloping Netflix Wiki to be the go-to place for all things Netflix. We want to feature all the Netflix Original shows and be the place to go for fans of Netflix to find out about the shows they love.
The best bit? We are actively encouraging these users to visit other wikis about that content, including this one. Our detailed The Witcher article links to this wiki extensively in the infobox and main article body, encouraging users to find out more about the show.
I'm pretty good, thanx for asking. From the get go: neat idea and brilliant work so far. I’ll of course contribute if I find anything missing and I believe our wiki will benefit greatly through cooperation with this endeavour of yours.
While we’re at it, I’ve got to ask you: could you help us strike down Netflix Witcher Wikia? The community here firmly believes it's redundant to split fans' attention. With your amazing Netflix Wiki it becomes even more obsolete. We tried to contact the admin there but he’s inactive.
I’m not much of a Discord guy but will, if it’s okay, gladly continue communicating here.
If you mean the videos which appear above some articles, well, then there's unfortunately nothing I can do because these videos are not added her by us but the Fandom Inc staff. Many of us admins don't like them there either but alas.
I've found out there is at least one time when a term "Lower Angren" is used in Baptism of Fire, in reference to the area where Ysgith is located. Could it mean that the Angren in the books is in fact Lower Angren, and there is another area called "Upper Angren" in Dol Angra, as on Komarek's and RED maps? That would be similar to Sodden case.
In the book Ysgith is situated north to the Yaruga (the hansa later plans to cross the river so that they can bypass it from the south). It's not the case in Thronebreaker (unless we assume Ysgith is on both shores but easier to bypass from the south). I'd assume the book one is Lower and the Upper begins further southeast.
Ok, so the context of the first fragment (Geralt lacking experience with Lower Angren) connected with the fact that they initially wanted to either continue their way in the northern part or to move south through Ysgith, I'd say that the southeastern part is Lower and northwestern Upper (makes sense also in a way that northern has many hils). But I might be missing some details, so I'll wait until tomorrow with changes.
It could also be that Angren is not divided by the Yaruga itself but maybe by another tributary or something, and that Upper and a small part of Lower (including half of Ysgith) are located North of the Yaruga, while major part of Lower and second half of Ysgith on the south (?)
My name is Caio Roberto and I'm a journalism major in college. I'm writing my undergraduate thesis which is gonna be about the Witcher Wiki and I wanted to know if you, as an admin/bureaucraft, could help with some usefull information.
Hey! Do you remember me? I'm this person. Just changed my account.
Anyways I'll be quick, someone reccomended me that I contacted you if I had some question about the witcher universe, so that's why I'm here.
Remember my ugly maps I made some years ago? Well I'm remaking them, and I'm having problems figuring out where the borders should go. I want to put the borders where they are at the start of the saga, that means the first book, do you think this is a good reference?
Hello, I'm Flanqer, and I'm the Wiki Manager for the Witcher Wiki. I introduced myself in Discussions, but wanted to drop you a personal message since you're one of the active admins. I'm here to help you and your community, and to be a liaison to full-time Fandom Staff. If you ever have any questions related to the wiki, whether it's about editing, styling, infoboxes, policy, etc, please contact me on my message wall.
Sorry to bother, but I was reading through the family trees of Redanian and Temerian monarchs and somthing felt really odd. Riannon marries Goidemar, who's son of Gardik (that's 1 generation). We know that Gardik had a sister named Maria Pulcheria, so we can assume she's roughly around the same age as Gardik. If we follow Redanias tree through her marriage with Dambor, we arrive at Vridank (that's 4 generations), who's the addoptive father of Riannon. Am I missing something? Because this doesn't make any sense chronologically.
How can Riannon be adopted by a king who shouldn't be born yet (following common sense) for another one hundred years?
You're not bothering at all, I love to discuss lore. Yea this is really interesting. I think I know wht might be the case though.
Both Gardik (known as "old King Gardik" by the time of Falka's rebellion) and Goidemar (died 78 yo) lived and ruled for exceptionally long periods. On the other hand the Redanian kings, well, Radovid II outright dissapeared pretty early into his reign while Radovid III died of health problems when he was 44/49 (his dynastic entry repeats the sentence about death twice, each time with different age). Judging by his greatly indolent yet stressful reign I think it's possible Vestibor died young too.
But by following this logic, Gardik should've outlived four Redanian Kings (who let's say all died approximately around their fourties). That should make him way over one hundred at the time of Falka's rebelion. Goidemar's age doesn't really matter (he should be around the same age as Vestibor or even his son Radovid II) as he's the one who married Riannon (and he didn't marry her at a ripe age of 70, as he was a pretty young prince when she chose him).
Mathematically nothing adds up. There should be at least one or two generations betwenn Gardik and Geddes, but there aren't. The only thing that've make sense is that Gardik took potions to prolongue his life, which again is nearly impossible as mages kept that secret to themselves.
Although what you point out is reasonable and surely happened historically, in this case it is outright impossible if we exclude magic.
I'd like to hear further from you, cheers!
PS: There's also the fact that Vridank was in his mid twenties or early thirties when he took Riannon in (that's another twenty years to add to the equasion), as his uncle was already over fifty when he took the throne of Redania after the whole massacre.
I've come to realise that Gardik was probably a half-elf. Altough half-elves don't live as long as their elven counterparts, they can easily outlive any human by quite a margin (depends on whose genes they inherited the most i guess).
Well, Gardik was, in fact, a half-elf via his mother Vinfrida so if average human lives up to about ~65 and elves can go for 300-400 (some even 600) years I think it would make sense for someone with half-elven origin to indeed exceed 100 years without a problem, right?
Gonna return to Radovid II because am convinced he did not die in his forties but twenties (thirties at most). Why? The Genealogy entry states that after his disappearance at the sea, Redanians still hoped for his return during the reigns of Radovid III and Vridank, which would make zero sense if he was not young when he vanished.
Have to agree with your other points though, the mages of Rissberg in Season of Storms made it pretty clear that despite Ortolan's wishes they keep the life-prolonging potion for themselves.
BTW: Am very glad to talk about something like this with you. Just so you know :)
Yeah, now everything seems to come to fruition. We can algo agree that Maria Pulcheria wasn't in fact a half-elf woman as it is stated on her wiki as she was most likely a daughter of a concubine or a lover, legitimized so she could gain the status of princess?
Isn't it interesting that during the early years of the Northern Kingdoms marrying elven wemen was considered reasonably normal (apart from Cregennan and Lara, their story most likely exaggerated)? During the time when elves were being conquered and driven to the Blue Mountains? Imagine what would happen if a human married an elf in the 1260's or 70's, to the gallows!
Returning to Gardik, you mentioned that during Falka's rebellion, Gardik was still alive and known as "old King Gardik". That means that he was still king of Temeria by the time of the rebellion? And Goidemar was still a prince during the whole scandal? That means Gardik's reign could've easily been around 100 years.
Thanks for the kind words! There aren't many people who would know the lore as you do!
Tru, that's what I always assumed too. Maybe the Category:Human should be removed from her page and the race section edited to read Half-elf or Human with reference note attached to it similar to the one on Adela's article? Oh and I don't think she was necessarily a daughter of a concubine/lover as polygamy was more common at that time.
Hah yea it really's interesting. It also seems earlier kings used elven names quite often. Few examples:
Cintran kings Cerbin, Coram I and Coram II are basically Raven, Lion I and Lion II
Daughter of Kaedwenian King Benda, Elen, was born Elaine which means Beautiful
Thyssen is derived from elven "Thaess’en", meaning Hush up (funny story this one)
Yup, Gardik still lived during the rebellion though he was slowly losing the ability to rule (if you understand what I mean) and died shortly before Falka imprisoned Riannon.
You know a great deal as well. Wouldnt you maybe continue editing? Not forcing you but any help's appreciated and we still miss a lot of content, particularly from the books…
Hey, sorry to have disappeared for quite some time, real life stuff. Anyways, at the moment, just because I have free time and nothing else to do, I'm creating a detailed map for myself to follow the books with, and I came up with this problem I have regarding the nature of Ebbing and Maecht.
In short, are these two considered Provinces of the Nilfgaardian Empire or are they Vassal Kingdoms. I know in history there were ocasions where Kingdoms would be under an administration of an Empire, such as in the Byzantine and Holy Roman Empire, but I'm not quite sure what is the nature here. All together, from reading the wiki and other sources, it seems that they are Vassal Kingdoms.
And how come Maecht, a rather large territory (and from what i remember more urbanized than Metinna, and a Kingdom) is under the rule of a Province, in this case Metinna, which is under the Nilfgaardian administration.
And finally, what is the difference between the different duchies in the Empire? Let's say the Duchy of Toussaint and the Duchy of Ymlac. Is the latter as autonomouse as the first one? or is there a large difference of administration between these two. This also extends to Rowan and Salm.
As for Temerian stuff - keep in mind that the Temerian tree doesn't fit well other ones and the Saga. Pre-Goidemar period aside, there is at least one generation too much after Goidemar. Since the other trees fit each other and the Saga rather well (with some exceptions in case of certain absurd dates), I think it's good to assume that this particular tree was written before the others.
As for Provinces - keep in mind that calling many of imperial lands "vassal" wasn't a case before adaptations, the only officialy neutral realm was Ebbing. Maecht, though being a kingdom ruled by a king, is inside the Empire's borders, clearly indicated in the moment when Skellen's gang crosses Maecht-Ebbing border.
In this case, I think the Empire can be divided in huge blocks called Provinces, which are traditionally divided in various kingdoms and duchies, and technically in Palatinates. Palatinates are mentioned in the books though no land has been referred to as a palatinate yet, aside from Caldwell being called the Palatine (Palatinate of Lyria and Angren then? With Villem as traditional ruler and Caldwell as the technical one?)
Interesting, I always thought of Provinces in the Nilgaardian Empire as those in the Roman Republic and later Empire, ruled by governors instead of kings or dukes, that's why i thought there was this distinct aspect to Ebbing and Maecht maintaining its previous status.
Also, wasn't Caldwell only palatine of Angren? Just finished Thronebreaker and I don't recall aep Dahy granting him any power over Lyria and Rivia, he rather wanted him out of the Kingdom (i may be wrong here). And I would regard palatines as officials who would rule a land in behalf of someone else, beeing appointed instead of inheriting the land, at least in the context of the Nilfgaardian Empire, you know what I mean?
PS, the only well known (to an extent) Palatinate that i recall would be Pfalzgrafschaft bein Rhein, inside the Holy Roman Empire, and with a complex ruling system in itself, as being ruled by a Count. This would suit your proposition as Caldwell was a Count.
Hi there Ingvar and happy new year too you as well!
To the matter: For me, there's no doubt about Metinna's status within the Empire being on par with the one Ebbing has because Andrzej Sapkowski himself describes Metinna as a "kingdom, vassal of Nilfgaard, with apparent autonomy" in his alphabet. As I currently understand it, the Kingdom of Metinna and the Kingdom of Maecht are each ruled by their respective monarchs and, in appearance, independent. However, both of them have to pay tributes/taxes/levy + soldiers to their Palatine/Praefect who operates the Province of Metinna.
Also I think that by titling Caldwell as Palatine CDPR wanted to fix the lore-breaking issue with how Angren is depicted on their maps (which is to say, much larger than described in the books). Maybe the Palatinate of Angren contains Angren, Riverdell and Southern Dol Angra?
I see, makes sense tbh. Although I'm still a bit confused on the distinction between Kingdoms and Provinces within the Empire, an example: in his alphabet, the description of Thurn is this: miasto w prowincji Maecht, but apperently ruled by King Hoet. So can a Province = Kingdom?
Regarding Angren, what is it really? A region or a state? In CDPR's map it is shown as if it was a soveraign country (altough wrongly placed), but everything else points it to be just a region in between the Mahakam Mountains and the Jaruga river. Sapkowski in his alphabet describes it as just "land", so it isn't clear, at least for me. And if it is in fact a region, who did it belong to before the first war with Nilfgaard, was it part of Sodden or Lyria..?
Well what do you know. Maybe there was Goidemar of Redania between Sambuk and Abrad or Abrad and Radovid The Great :P Seriously though, in my book, the alphabet is canon as long as it doesn’t directly conflict "harder canon" (i.e. books and genealogies). Therefore if alphabet describes Maecht as Province, but then Fenn says it's a "Kingdom [...], and administratetively march of the Province of Metinna" than the latter is correct.
Due to the fact that Province of Metinna consists of 2 semi-autonomous kingdoms, I'm sure Province doesn’t equal Kingdom (Nordlings just use the term for every land dependant on Nilfgaard im one way or another, it seems). On the other hand, a kingdom can easily become Province if it refuses to surrender and swear fealty in time (e.g. Geso).
As for Angren, I always considered it a country but one consumed by wilderness and mostly unadvanced barbaric. Whom did it belong to? I guess it's similar to how Riverdell's history was described: a disputed strip of land fought over by Temerians, Soddeners, Rivians and others until Nilfgaard came around.
Hey Juraj! So after all these months (and many exams :'c) I finished a map I was working on that I told you about previously, so I can follow the books that I finally plan to start reading again sometime next week. I was wondering if you could comment a few words on the map, if you have the time of course: https://i.redd.it/kps2frtkeab31.png
I took a lot of inspiration from already existing maps, but I added a few changes which I though would fit (at least in my head) to the map.
Well, I allways though that the Far North is just above the main Koviri and Poviss regions (maybe extending even further in a few cases but with limited settlements), so let's say Velhad, Narok and Talgar (based on the descriptions of the wiki).
Anyways, I could have labeled the are further as Far North, for the sake of not getting confused.
Technical stuff mostly, put some color here, add some there. I would also like to make the borders between realms stand out more, even though it's totally non-canon as we have nearly 0 info about where borders begin and where they end, a part from a few cases.
But I think I'll take a few months off for myself and enjoy the books once again!