I'm getting close to The Battle of Kaer Morhen and I can make a walkthrough for it, but it will require adds from others. It's pretty much the magnum opus of the game where a lot of story threads intertwine. And there are too many variables, what I mean is what happens if this character is or is not present? It would require an nth amount of replays to discover all of them. I will do it with the max crew including those like Letho, so Lamber will get rescued by Keira Metz, but other people will have to fill the variables if there are any other significant ones.
The good thing is there aren't many differences for most. Letho only adds some extra dialogue and appears in cutscenes (but nothing storybreaking), along with many of the others. The only one who I know of that can have an impact is Keira, and even then I've heard you can still save Lambert on your own, it's just harder.
Yes I know that too, but you know the player base, they usually want to know every detail possible. Well I won't try to overthink it.
Btw I just remembered the thing about the Alghoul decoction and why the Alghoul mutagen was removed. I think it was done because there is no contract for Alghoul's. You know every monster mutagen has a witcher contract which always drops the specific mutagen, however there is no Alghoul contract. So it was probably removed due to the lack of a guaranteed source, so players don't get frustrated farming Alghoul's.
I would add this already, but I wanted to come to you first before I do. As far as I can tell, Hattori seems to be the best merchant to sell runestones to. I've just visited Gremist, Yoana, and Hattori for both weapon and armor runestone types. Based on the numbers, Hattori is the best bet for "more bang for your buck" when it comes to selling runestones. Is there another merchant in the game to date that has better money return if you sell runestones to them? I cannot find anyone else anywhere who come close to Hattori's return prices.
Could I put something on his page saying that he offers better return prices for runestones than most other merchants? It's not really a lie as I've already tested out on both the masters and regular merchants (of course, not on all the merchants, hence why I typed "most other merchants").
Hey, Mechemik, I trust you as an editor and would like your input on something as a fellow editor. I have no clue how to add something as a link without that weird external link popping up next to the word. I've tried everything I can think of like selecting "wiki page", but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated. I just want my edits to look more professional and keep up with the ongoing themes of the pages. Thank you for your time.
I believe the Foglet from the chest containing Maugrim has a condition to be spawned. In my recent playthrough, I killed the Foglet from the right chamber, right after getting teleported into the drowner nest by Keira. Later on, when I looted Maugrim, the Foglet didn't spawn.
Can you confirm (from any of your playthroughs) that not killing the Foglet in the right chamber will allow for it to spawn in the relic chest? If so, I think this would be good information to put in the page.
Hi, so we already do have the game's map on Flotsam's page. We're also rather particular with outside game maps in general though considering there still isn't an official map for the lore (CDPR has their versions which have mistakes, Netflix has their own, and the author himself hasn't released one yet) :(
Hey, quick question. What's the policy on separating the book information vs game information? I see that the book info goes in "Biography", while the game stuff goes to the respective game title. In the case of a character like Vesemir, the games expand on his backstory, so where would that info be placed? I don't think that it should be listed alongside the book info, but what's the policy on that?
Only books are canon but the wiki covers all available info (provided that coming from the people having the license to make Witcher works). As you see, I've added some events from the game and the graphic novel alongside book info to Vesemir, leaving only The Price of Neutrality for now as I seriously doubt the Reds intended it to take place before the romance with Mignole (I will have to ask on Twitter).
Games and books information all goes under bio, with references noting where the information came from. The information under game headers on Vesemir's page is outdated (it should only include journal entries and quests under them).
Sorry for insisting, but what about the info that contradicts the books? Or the assumptions the comics/games make about the books? Cause, for example, if you consider only the info in the books, Geralt must have been already been a Witcher by the time Kaer Morhen was attacked. But then if you consider all the stuff from the comics, that's not what happens. Adding
The following is considered game canon only and may contradict Andrzej Sapkowski's works.
for a page like Vesemir would mean presenting alternative version of the same events, not to mention that you would have to add like 5 of them in between two-sentence paragraphs of books material. I think the games are managable, but having 3 different "timelines" for the same character is hard to say the least. Also, this line from the comics: "[Vesemir] treated all young witchers with harsh affection". Like, maybe, but that's not what you see in the other media. This is just me wanting to separate the comics info, basically. Sorry for the rant and have a nice day :)
DipsonDP wrote: if you consider only the info in the books, Geralt must have been already been a Witcher by the time Kaer Morhen was attacked.
In the books last children were trained only 25 years ago, so the attack on the keep does hardly mean anything to Geralt's age. It's the adaptations that seem to often mistakenly assume Wolf School ceased to exist during the pogrom.
Doesn't that imply that the attack actually happened 25 years ago, then? Why would Sapkowski leave the reason why there are no new Witchers unexplained while he mentions an attack that killed most people in Kaer Morhen?
Attack occured half a century before Triss was born.
It can either mean that the witchers who were outside the Keep managed to rebuild the school or that the author messed up his timeline (which of course happened a couple of times in the books). If I meet him I'll try to adress this problem among others.
@Miki You do have a list (preferably on a paper or phone) for this interview at least, right? Not that I don't believe your memory, but repairing the chronology issues could be the big thing here for this quarter-year xD seriously
Just heads up, I renamed quadroon to quarter-elf because while it was literally translated as "quadroon" from Polish on the wiki, the word "quadroon" actually isn't even used in the English translation of the books, likely because of real-world racist connotations. And "ćwierćelf" ("quarter-elf") is actually used more often even in Polish in the books.
Ok for now I've reverted that as when it comes to major pages/terms like that, we like to discuss it first to decide which is the best to use going forward with it considering all the lore, which terms are used where, etc. before making major changes like that. Once we come to a resolution we'll mark it down, thanks!
OK, sorry then. Just saying that it was likely a literal translation by a fan back before the books were fully translated, but the term "quarter-elf" is what's actually used in English versions of the books (and even in Polish it's more common than "quadroon").
Was "quadroon" even used in any official English version of game/show/book? I can't find any example.
From what I can recall you're correct that it hasn't been used in the English books, so it makes a good point that we should get that fixed here if so. I can't recall if it's ever used elsewhere either (like the games and shows).
Sorry for acting too fast with the page move. Looking at the page history, the page was created back in 2008, when most of the books had not been translated yet, and probably later the actual translators chose not to use the word, which is more loaded in English than in Polish.
Speaking of quarter-elves -- should we really treat them as an entirely separate race in infoboxes? After all, they are way more human than witchers, they just sometimes inherit physical traits from grandparents. I suggest we could do "Human (quarter-elf)", like in case of witchers. Or maybe "quarter-elf human", dunno.
Except being mixed in general (real world) tends to get marginalized a lot. It's one thing if someone wants to call themselves one race or another even if they're mixed, but for others, they do take pride in their mixed heritage.
@Mechemik Wouldnt humanoid work better as a redirect to Nonhuman? By what I understood during my last reread, "humanoid" is often used as a polite word for races who anthropologically are close to humans, whereas the "nonhuman" is of course a more racist, slandrous term. Maybe we could even rename Nonhuman to Humanoid?
I plan to reshape and expand that article a little bit, so that it describes terms "humanoid"/"nonhuman" better, include races who belong to this classification and their relation with humans. Race can continue to work as a general page for all sentient beings (including ones who are far from humans like dragons or unicorns).
The problem is in the books "nonhuman" is the actual term used, not "humanoid" though I agree: in the lore, using "nonhuman" has a pretty negative connotation, but for all intents and purposes it's best to keep it as nonhuman (as many wouldn't consider trolls, for example, as nonhumans though they are humanoid).
I'd say "humanoid" is here used both as a synonym for "hominid" (that is the actual near-humans such as dwarves and halflings) and as a way to describe a creature roughly in human shape and composition (such as canon/comics vrans, which are human-like in shape but are not even mammals)
You're wrong, though I don't blame you for not remembering it. When Geralt and Renfri talk about the seven gnomes in TLW, she says word-to-word "Do you have anything against gnomes? Or humanoids?"
Trolls are an extraordinary case of semi-sentient beings who, under human influence, became "intelligent" as Geralt himself says in TLW. I've references to adaptations/books for most humanoid races which classify them as such so it won't be a problematic change.
To clarify though, the books don't use humanoid very often, and when they do it's mostly towards describing what most would label as beasts/monsters, not beings like elves, halfings, etc. The books far more often use nonhuman to refer to those groups instead. For example, the example you gave is the only time it's actually used as a possible reference to other typical races: all other times it's used in conjunction to describe a creature like when Geralt was amushed by the monsters in Toussaint, or when it's mentioning rusalkas and nymphs in TLW, or when Lambert's teaching Ciri how to strike in BoE. Humanoid in all these cases is being used to encompass any creature that has humanoid attributes in some way, even though it may not be sentient (or more beast). For example, nekkers are humanoid but we certainly wouldn't classify them as nonhuman.
Ehh that's stretching it a bit but I do get what you mean hear. Let's say we keep it at Nonhuman for article name then. Sure. Can Humanoid redirect work as a link to Nonhuman page instead of Race at least, please?
Think I got a way to adress all these "issues" you list above.
bump* Mechemik, see you're busy, but can you allow this switch and change Humanoid redirect to go to Nonhuman? I'll do rest after I'm back on Sunday + next week should be lighter on me. More free time!
Why did you revert my edits? Dorreniel in the comic is not an elf, she is a human sorceress and April's teacher. She takes part in the conspiracy against the witchers. The previous version was a mistake.
See the Polish version, which is correct: https://wiedzmin.fandom.com/wiki/Dorreniel