FANDOM

A FANDOM user
  Loading editor
  • Hello Mechemilk,

    I encountered a Wyvern hovering over the Harpies nest while doing the 'Ladies of the Wood' quest today. So I suggested an edit. You did a follow up edit citing that it spawns on the road and is not a consequence of the quest. But this was similar to the Scavenger hunt for the silver sword diagram of the Griffin School Gear at Lornruk. The Wyvern was hovering over the Harpies nest and attacked first. I'd also gone quite ahead in the main quests, finishing Skellige and was probably mid-way through Novigrad, before I picked this main quest.

    Just sharing my observations here, if it helps in anyway.

    Also, on a side note is there a Discord for the Witcher wiki editors? I've been making minor edits as I play but I'd be happy to contribute to clean ups on quests as well if that's okay.

      Loading editor
    • So that wyvern actually can spawn further away on the road (the nest area where you retrieve the bottle is the harpies') so he's not directly associated with it and can actually be killed at just a random passing through the area. I've done this several times with him spawnning along the small road through that area, but not close enough to the harpies to have to fight both groups at once.

      And no, there isn't a discord for that. We all just communicate on the message walls here :)

        Loading editor
    • Alright, thanks Mechemilk!

      Might be a good idea to have a Discord, especially with Cyberpunk 2077 and season's of the Netflix Witcher series to come, there's bound to be more interest here. It's helped me a lot. So thanks to you and everyone else who put it together!

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hi Mechemik,

    I appreciate you sweeping over all the changes I've been making to the TW2 quests, but can you give me a little more time after my edits to do your proofing? I decided after adding the infobox to the Butcher of Cidaris that I would de-stub it, but I then hit an edit conflict with you shuffling the internal links, and my version got dumped to raw HTML/CSS instead of Markup in the conflict resolution. If you give me an hour from my last edit, that should be a good indication I don't have a big edit coming through. (Although, again, I do apprciate the cleanups -- I've been using the diffs to see what parts of the style guide I've been ignoring).



    Also, while I'm here -- I thought I added a "Type" class to the Quest infobox, but it looks like it's admin-locked and the visual edits don't actually do anything. While reading this wiki, I've thought having a direct link to arm wrestling, dice poker, contracts, fist fighting, the main quest, or secondary quests (this one probably doesn't have a good associated page) would be quite helpful in the infobox. Up to you if it's worth implementing, though.



    Cheers,

      Loading editor
    • We don't use the type indicator like that. On the infoboxes it is used for, it's used to sort items/quests by how's sorted in game, so even if it's added, it's really only main quests and secondary quests, as the quests aren't further sub-divided in game.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hello Mechemik

    I added a history section to the Order of Witchers page recently. Having read it some more after I made it it feels a bit subpar. Since I'm rather new to editing on this wiki so I thought a second opinion would be helpful. Perhaps you could take a gander at it if you could spare some time.

    Regards

      Loading editor
    • View all 38 replies
    • Great! I'm really enjoying adding to the wiki, nice distraction from college and other real life thing's.

      Had a question, there's a dwarf in the witcher 2 called Ebenezer Zigrin. I've been meaning to add him to any relevant pages but was wondering if he should have his own one. However I remember seeing a discussion you were in where it was decided that characters that are mentioned only and never appear shouldn't have a page. Is that what was ultimately decided or is it okay if I made one for him?

        Loading editor
    • Basically if a character is only mentioned in passing and there's not much about them (like some we only know where they live for instance and have a couple relatives from in-game conversations) we don't add them. If there's enough to write a couple paragraphs though off all the documents/conversations (like Ignatius Verrieres) or they're a merchant that you can actually buy/sell from, then it's ok to have their own page.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • I don't really understand how having pages for several key topics like Emhyr var Emreis, Geralt of Rivia or Avallac'h protexted for extended periods of time is productive. To me, that level of protection should never be exercised on a mainspace page because a wiki is a community effort and it only serves to discourage anyone who wishes to make helpful edits in good faith. People who choose to engage in edit-warring, vandalism or otherwise ignoring guidelines should be blocked for a period of time for their actions, and rather than restrict all other people who wish to contribute. Giving a block to such users to cool down and reconsider their actions without inhibiting further improvements by other users is best. Especially with the latter two characters, who both have some pretty extensive character history that isn't covered yet.

    In the case of Geralt, I know from the comments section that the infobox image is a contested topic with some people. I think a message in the source of the page indicating the picture is not to be changed with brief reason why would discourage such changes. I mean something akin to this, which we have on the page of an important character over on Wookieepedia:

    <!-- The infobox image has been chosen by the community - [[Forum:CT:New Thrawn main image]]. Changing the image requires community consensus, as per [[Wookieepedia:Consensus]]. -->
    

    I also think the Editing Guidelines could use an update because they don't really have guidance to explain that the primary page covers all licensed Witcher fiction and that the separate Netflix pages exist to allow full coverage of the events of a very prominent adaptation, not to exile that adaptation away from everything else. The character infobox pictures section of Image Guidelines would also benefit from guidance on usage of Netflix TV images on non-Netflix pages. This would really help people who wish to contribute to better understand these things because it is honestly not immediately intuitive to me.

    (Also an aside to make sure I understand, a picture of Sancia of Sodden from the episode Betrayer Moon can be added to her page, right? And an image of Visenna as seen in Netflix can be placed in the gallery of her page?)

      Loading editor
    • Hi, thanks for the insight! Sometimes I forget we still had some locked (there's been situations where we were trying to discuss it with the editor but they'd keep just changing it back while we were still trying to talk to them so we had to lock pages down to properly discuss it).

      Sadly we're not quite as active as Wookieepedia to keep an eye on edits at every time of the day, but I'll bring it up with the other admins to see if they'd like to try that route about Geralt's image, as well as updating the guidlines (which you probably noticed hasn't been updated to include the Netflix information).

      So long story short, and I can't remember how it went specifically, but Netflix got into contact with us to use our Fandom as the official Fandom site for their Witcher show. Part of that involved having separate pages for their chraacters (to better focus on the Netflix content). Admins here had plans to also include the Netflix information on the main character's page and mark it off as the show canon but when we saw they basically threw most of the book plot out except for a few main parts (creating essentially an alternate timeline) we decided it was best to just keep the story information on the Netflix pages.

      As for the images, we decided we'd use the image that best portrays a character as described in the book canon, regardless of which source it is. That's why Geralt's uses the Netflix one but Renfri's is a comic book version, etc. I'm not sure Sancia is ever described in the books but if she's not the Netflix one should be fine on her main page. As such, with Visenna, there really isn't much need to add the Netflix one to her main page as it's already the main one on the Netflix version. Basically want to try and prevent Netflix images overcrowding the main gallery if they show up more in the future (as those images will still be viewable on the Netflix counterpart).

        Loading editor
    • Thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly! I figured the Netflix stuff was just that it's a pretty big undertaking to iron out what works best and I really appreciate everything you've shared.

      I don't remember her being described either but it's probably good to double check if so. I can definitely get a picture of Sancia from Netflix. With the phsyical looks of characters, if they're not described in the book, do you think infobox fields for physical features should be left blank or should those features be mentioned, with specifications on what adaptation (like with Geralt's eyes)? Or are Geralt's eyes a special case because the amber color is notable in games/Netflix and it's helpful to readers to know how his eyes look in each version?

      And one other question, is it okay to link to uncreated pages (such as Adon Ozol on Ciri/Netflix series) so that it's easy to see what topics still need pages or are red links not preferred?

        Loading editor
    • So yes, if the character feature is ever mentioned, we put into the infobox, making sure to mark down the source of the information but if it's never mentioned/shown, we don't put it down (so for example, we note Sabrina's eyes are described as dark in the books, in the games they're made brown. Her separate Netflix page notes they're gray). Geralt's in particular shows the clear separation because the canon is that his eyes are dark (never called amber) but beause they're so often noted to be amber in the games (and now the Netflix show) we added that for easier distinction. There is one caveat to features though: skin tone.  We've had quite a few people get very heated over this so unless it's specifically described in canon works (that is, the books), we do not put it down at all, regardless of how it's portrayed in any other lore.

      So we're not opposed to red links but the more major concern is trying to prevent too many small pages where we can only really write a couple sentences about them. That said, I do think Adon and his family members might actually have enough information from the show to get at least a paragraph out of to warrant a page.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hi! Can you explain why you removed my edits on the Knight for Hire quest? It obviously wasn't vandalism on my part, so at least providing a reason why you completely removed what I did would be nice.

    I almost missed those reports existed (only found the when turning in the last item) and thought people would like to know about them, as they weren't mentioned at all on the quest page.

      Loading editor
    • View all 5 replies
    • So if we were to, for example, group all the reports under a "Knight for Hire reports" category and add a note to link to that category, would that be ok?

        Loading editor
    • Actually, would rather have it added in flow like an actual walkthrough. A quick example is like the walkthrough on this page for A Dog's Life. See how the key and notes are hyperlinked to their respective pages (but not really named) to flow better in the page? There's also this short example on A Hallowed Horn. A more detailed example is like Wine Wars: Vermentino where you see a lot of links out to unique pieces (usually the result of other quests).

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hello sorry to bother you. I know that you are part of the Witcher wiki but I was wondering if perhaps you knew anyone who would be interested in helping with the Gwent wiki? It's been abandoned by the old admins for over a year and is in a very poor state with a lot of outdated information. I have been doing what I can but it's a lot work for one person. If you know anyone that might want to help or you have any advice for me that would be very much appreciated. Thanks for your time :)

      Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hi!

    What is the reason for reverting the edits that I made on Avallac'h's page? They are perfectly in line with book canon, game canon, and the mythology that has inspired the creation of his character.

      Loading editor
    • View all 9 replies
    • Mechemik wrote:
      Saying "very tall" isn't very descriptive here. By that analogy, someone could be considered tall to another if say, one person is 3' and the other 6' but that same 6' person may be considered short if someone else is 9'. That's why just saying "very tall" doesn't work here and is only be used for actual measurements.

      He is said to be equally tall to Eredin in TLotL. In addition to it, Ciri describes all Aen Elle as "extraordinarily tall" and that she has to look up in order to see their eyes (Ciri is 5'9")

        Loading editor
    • Mechemik wrote:
      Oh you're referring to the top part of his page. That actually does need to be re-written as that shouldn't really be there in that section, but as you can see even the game portion of his bio is a bit short and his whole page needs to add his story from the books and games in its entirety to get the full picture.

      Right. So if it needs to be re-written why reverse my edits to these parts then? I'd be more than up to updating his character description to eliminate the need for people to come and be utterly confused about his character on forums.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • I've been interested in having more pages filled in involving stuff from Hearts of Stone. Currently I am interested in the page involving the Quest Item, Maximillian Borsodi's House. I have uploaded an image of the quest item in game to this wiki, but haven't added it to the page yet. As for the page regarding the item, I want to write about the role of Max Borsodi's House such as talking about how it contains documents and the Borsodi's will, and why Olgierd wanted it. I just wanted to ask you for permission first. 

      Loading editor
    • Hi there! That's fine, just note to try and keep it short/to the point for it :)

        Loading editor
    • Sounds good! If there is anything you don't like about it and it needs to be fixed, you'll know what to do! :) 

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • Hello there Mechemik i wanted to ask why you reverted my edits in the timeline page i had alot of work in adding them. The Game's timeline ins't fanfiction, non-canon or a Side-story because you see CD Project Red and Sapkowisky made a Copyright deal by end of 2019 and so the games are indeed valid now. 

      Loading editor
    • It is actually non-canon. The lore stems from the books which, no matter how you want to view it, the author has stated he doesn't view the games as canon to his written works. If you have evidence to show that the author has agreed that the games are now canon please add the links here for us to check, as the only information that appears to be out is that the author and CDPR reached an agreement about continuing to use his IP, nothing about it being made canon.

        Loading editor
    • I know this deal was about IP but from what i've heard they reached a agreement to validate the games as canon as well because in their agreerment there was money involved in all this situation.

        Loading editor
    • Unfortunately we can't go just based on "what one hears". We need to actually have proof from the developers or author regarding it.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
  • May I know why you put back that false information? I spent countless hours on studying the original storyline, it really makes me frustrated when people dismiss what I say without asking me to prove my statement first.

      Loading editor
    • Look at what you're saying versus your own actions. You note you don't like people dismissing it but you also just walked in and called it "bullshit" and changed it drastically without backing it up. The leaked materials appears to indicate at least two quests and does even name one of them in the material and some of the specifics (like that of who tries to help him). Are you saying you have a different source for the information or found something else on them that changes that info?

        Loading editor
    • Your first point, I see no contradiction in my actions, I called that thing bullshit because, as i stated, I have no idea how could someone possibly reach such conclusion. You and Downtoearth1 reverted my change without saying a thing.

      So to quickly summarize Hvitr's story, [sentences in brackets are how I connect the events]:

      q204_thralls ||  After examining cataclysm [Geralt and Yen visited a place where refugees from Lofoten were located. Among them was a couple with their son], Hvitr. Astrid - she was very close to Ciri before WH attack, Skjall didn't exist back then - was his sister [but she didn't escape with the rest and so is assumed to be dead.] Hvitr was no ordinary boy, that was common knowledge among Skelligians. [Yen suspected he's a Source] and wanted to take him to druid's grove so they may intoxicate him and and forcibly awaken his abilities in hope that he says something about Ciri. Ritual is dangerous and Geralt is afraid Hvitr will be harmed. As they argue, Yennefer teleports Geralt away so he does not interrupt.

      Geralt returns to Ard Skellig and sees a gathering in druid’s grove, jarls and their sons were summoned because Hvitr has seen something important for Skellige, but that's an another story. After a phase in the sacred circle Yen informs Geralt that during Trial of Smoke [Hvitr has seen Astrid alive].

      q205_frozen_coast ||  On Hindarsfjall Astrid is indeed found alive, but she's been in coma for weeks. To heal her, Geralt, Yen and Hvitr entered Freya’s garden to collect different herbs. Garden was abandoned due to many basilisks which some time ago suddenly appeared and from that on lived inside among people turned into a stone.

      Later Geralt had to decide which of those herbs should be given to Astrid. In one outcome she died because the cure was poisonous to her.

      That's a summary. Someone mixed up Astrid's coma with Hvitr's ritual. There is no evidence that Gremist existed back then. If you still don't believe me then go to ALPHA BUGS and see the sheets to q204 and q205, see how perfectly they blend with what I've written.

        Loading editor
    • Ok so a better way to have done that then was to have fleshed Hvitr's page out (similar to what you wrote here) instead of just removing all information entirely (as he still participates, just in a different manner).

        Loading editor
    • As I said in the note, I didn't feel like writing something about him from scratch because English is not my native language. I am now just going to remove the false information so it no longer annoys me, but since I wrote a summary here for you, feel free to edit it and add to the article if you want.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.

Fandom may earn an affiliate commission on sales made from links on this page.

Stream the best stories.

Fandom may earn an affiliate commission on sales made from links on this page.

Get Disney+