I've regarded you as the expert on the geography of the witcher universe. I'm rereading the books at the moment and I came across a quote which suggested that Sodden bordered Brokilon. This confused me a little as in the current maps made it doesn't seem to do so. Then I started thinking about the overall geography of the yaruga valley and how overall it doesn't make much sense, despite it being one of the more detailed described regions (the whole of baptism of fire is basically a trip up the yaruga). What are your thoughts on the region?
I see no buton to respond to your answer to my comment so since you were kind enough to reply to my previous question Im allowing myself to ask here...
also on Ciri's page it is stated Calanthe ordered Mousesack to kill Geralt but the order was withdrawn -- 'the sword of destiny' is given as source of this information but... Im paging through the story and I see no mention of this -- is it also mentioned as a recollection in 'something more'?
thx in advance
Im reading the Polish version :) [being Polish as well but I thought since the wiki is in English Id use the lang so that other users might read the exchange and find some clues as well]
and [throughout the whole story] I still cant see Mousesack mention anything about the fact he was given such an order by Calanthe and that the order was withdrawn... he only talks about here&now of the story ie. being sent to retrieve Ciri -- Id just finished reading the story before I got to this wiki page so my attention was immediately drawn to some parts which I mightve omitted
– Gdy dziecko się urodziło, sześć lat temu, wezwała mnie i rozkazała, bym cię odszukał. I zabił.
– Calanthe się nie odmawia – rzekł poważnie Myszowór, patrząc mu prosto w oczy. – Byłem gotów do drogi, gdy wezwała mnie powtórnie. I odwołała rozkaz, bez słowa komentarza. Bądź ostrożny, gdy będziesz z nią rozmawiał.
Yeah, to add onto it, there was a lot of back and forth edits on that one sentence until we realized the English translation missed that vital part (as it reads like Calanthe wanted Mousesack to kill the baby instead in English) so we had to add a note regarding the mistranslation.
As for less controversial changes: can you botmove Mutant to Mutant (creature) (or some other name) and then Mutant (class) to Mutant? Most of the people likely search for mutants as a whole group, not just one particular variant.
You removed the part about the birth of Triss and the reason you gave was that the last wolves were trained long after that.
Can you please back it up or explain? Everything in the book says that after the Pogrom, they were no longer able to produce any new witcher as they lost the mutagen formulae needed for that. Thus it makes it non-sense to say that Geralt, Eskel, Lambert and Coen were trained long after that as they are fully mutated Witchers - not to mention Geralt who is mutated even further. Can you please elaborate?
Anyway, for now, have a very nice day ;)
It isn't specified when they lost a mage responsible for trials (the formulae is still there). Triss explicitly states that last children were trained 25 years before Blood of Elves, which means the two events are separate.
sure, there were kids still trained but they were not "true" witchers for the above mentioned reason (exactly the case of Leo who was trained, yet not mutated and Ciri as well)
the only senior member to survive the pogrom was Vesemir and he was not a master of the mutations but rather sword master. Thus the point still stands.
It is even stated on the Kaer Morhen page, that the pogrom took place in the second half of the 12th century, which is in sync with my point.
the problem with Triss and her birth thus still stands dont you think?
There is no indication in the novels that the trials ceased after the pogrom nor that witchers were particularly known for training children for fun. You mix things with TW1 lore, where there is indeed a dialogue that the pogrom was the end for witcher producton, but books stand above games (and even Reds often retconned some TW1 lore in later products).
well actually, I do not as I never managed to get over the prolog. TW1 simply do not agree with me :D .
I am taking into account only the books and I read them twice, now in the third round.
The thing with 25 years, was it in the blood of elves?
So basically I think we all need to create a complete timeline of where all adaptions fit in so we can do character biographies. Since you are very in touch with book knowledge i was wondering if you could create at least a draft?
Aren't the current timelines sufficient though? I can add some missing events you would want, but the amount of contradictions in both the source material and its adaptations pose a huge problem in detailing things
This guy has some kind of weird hard-on for the Netflix show as he's now locked Geralt's page completely so no-one can get rid of the picture of Henry Cavill. The "Netflix Geralt" has his own page - the Geralt whose biography is detailed in the Main page is not the same as Cavill's portrayal. The picture should be of Geralt from TW3.
"The games are separated too given the author's stance and yet we use their pictures."
You're absolutely correct. However, this wiki doesn't have tab for the games. Doesn't it? It only seemly seperated the main series from the Netflix series (probably because of the changes the Netflix series had done). I personally think that each media should have it own tabs (novels, games, Netflix, etc.) but I was told the admins had already decided and seemly wasn't going to be convinced otherwise. So, while I still think they are wrong. I don't care anymore.
The tabs for Netflix exist because Netflix wanted to have bookspoiler-free articles. Having separate tabs for each adaptation was discussed a couple of times but it was agreed too much work would have to be put in them.
What does Netflix have to do with this wiki? Seriously? Did Netflix reach out to the wiki and determined policy?
If so, then it still means it is separate. Several of the characters look nothing like the other version of themselves. Fringilla is a black woman in the Netflix series, meaning at lease for the video games they are not the same character and i highly doubt they are the same character in the novels. Also, the Dryands are shown differently in the series.
Next, then that decision was wrong and I wans't part of that discussed.
Back to Netflix for a moment, when did Netflix get to decided what is and is not the Witcher series or canon? because according to how I understand the TV series's canon isn't strictly adhering to the novels. I also understand the author's said he doesn't care what the series does as it doesn't affect his novels, which again (and after watching the episodes) mean their are seperated canon. Similar to how Star Trek novels exist.
Netflix is not canon, but again, neither are games and comic books. We have this little thing called "references" which is supposed to help people find out which info is from the books and which is not.
Do you really think most peoples read the references? I don't.
This is why the wiki is so important. It's normally the first source of information most peoples used. Hint why it is important to determine what canon vs non-canon or semi-canon. For me, Netflix is it only 'Netflix' canon.
The best and easier way to help peoples find out which info is from the books, video games, etc. is to separate it out into different tabs i.e. articles.
Perhaps because we don't know what exactly they are. I'd say we can have one, but I'm not sure which mentions exactly do you have in mind; English translators used "fairy" as a translation for a couple different mentioned creatures in the original
That was kinda my thought for Affan Hillergrand because of the crest on his helmet... but now that everyone wears it... :/ Maybe it's a minor department of the Division.. still doesn’t explain Tyrconnel being part of it. Oh well
As we speak of Nilfgaardians: I added Vicovarians and Daerlanians as subcategories to Nilfgaardians, but stopped at this point: should we restrict this category to group only the Nilfgaardized nations, or those conquered only recently such as Nazairians too? I'd incline towards the second as "recently" is a tricky term when it comes to the book timeline, but then we could do an analogous category for Nordlings as they are a large cultural group of their own as well.
Btw, @Bizi or @Juraj: are you able to add "CD Projekt franchise" ref for words in Skellige jargon and Nilfgaardian language, in the same way I used it in Elder Speech? I somehow always forgot to do it, and you worked on these articles so you might remember which ones are from the games (I remember even without working on them, but I'm lazy af xD)
Anyways, I'm planning to replace the unnatural "team photos" from culture pages with some nice art or photos. Here're my propositions for Nilfgaardians.
1. Gwent's War Council:
It was my initial choice. It depicts Nilfgaardians planning a war, and war is important in Nilfgaardian culture.
The art has a drawback however; it doesn't have any civilians in it, so it might fit better into "military" section or somewhere else.
2. Gwent's Battle Preparation:
My second choice. The art depicts a knight served by two page boys. The pages are dressed in civilian clothes and the act of preparing a knight may reflect Nilfgaard's focus on maintaining order.
The drawback is that the art is very stylized; the sky is red and there isn't much going on in the background.
3. Gwent's Ceallach:
Ok, this one has everything: the architecture, the civilian, the army. My concern is that there is too much going on; it's chaotic. On the other hand - Nilfgaard does make use of chaos when it can serve its order. Suppressing rebellions and brutal conquests are a thing. So perhaps this one might be the best choice... yet I find it less eye-pleasing from the distance than the first one.
I proposed my own "team" alternative that was similar to that, using characters cut from concepts and cards, but Mechemik said the cuts were bad. So I'm searching for other alternatives, because for me the team photos are bad, definitely not fitting the universe's style.
I'm not against "team photos" as much as Miki here, but still would prefer in-universe depictions such as GWENT illustrations or TV series photos etc.
That being said, you should go for the 2nd one with Nilfgaard. Aside from all the things you mentioned it has, there’s a depiction of their military side to it as well. And it being stylized isn’t really a drawback for box pic IMO.
Proposition n.1. Others are rather nice as one depicts the battle frenzy while the other seafaring culture. However, with splashing water and battle in the background, the Covenant not only has both of those things, but both genders as well.
Things got ugly political over decades. Take the dryads for example: no one cared when many of them were described as "dark skinned" in WGW (and clothed in the short story), but suddenly they scream "political correctness destroys our unicerse" after seeing actually dark skinned (and clothed) dryads in the teaser. I'm not sure whether it's the discussion for the wiki though
Unless we succumb to the theory of Imke being an Ofiri immigrant, how about console-spawning an Ofiri soldier next to the Runewright/Dhulla and/or Aamad in some more... natural position? Like Aamad buying somethig from Dhulla with a soldier staying in the background? Or just some pic from the comics.
Unless you're going to go through the trouble of posing them, then I'd say leave the group image there alone until/if they have a better gwent image. I'd rather avoid the comics for group images in this case. Also, regarding cropping, please don't do that, especially as we already have the full image on file and it's not to show anything specific. Unlike other communities, I really don't care if the infobox changes shape based on the image used, I just say go with the best image and not have 4+ of the same thing running around xD
Why not though? I, for one, don't like it when the boxes changes shape due to different size of images. It makes positioning images within Biography section a lot harder or results in weird overall layout. Sure, having a 4+ or even more than 2 would be an overkill, but I doubt we will use this pic of Blaviken inhabitants for other purposes. Therefore the un-cropped version can stay in the category (for anyone who wants to see all promos) and the cropped would go to the box.
It's 1) too much of a pain to have to do that for every box (in case you haven't noticed, maps sections for quests aren't the same size and won't ever be as there's different POI everywhere, not to mention some characters with different appearances) and 2) it's the exact same image of what's already on file. So if you're wanting to do that either 1) get rid of the uncropped image from the files entirely and use the cropped one in its place or 2) just use the uncropped image.
Mainly it'd very tiresome to try and keep all boxes with galleries all the same size and in my opinion, it's not worth it as content can sometimes get cut off for the sake of trying to make them all fit and I'd rather show the whole image we have in its full context.
@Bizi are we sure that the Ofiri mercenaries were brought there during the 3rd war, not later? The lore nodes claim that Dulla's expedition was the very first documented major one, and as we know it did not include whole mercenary units to be sold. Moreover, I'm not even sure whether HoS is officialy set during or after the war. (Do we even know whether does the war ends on 1272 tbh?)
Mercenaries expedition could have happened immediately later Dulla’s one. We know Nibras was trying to reach an alliance with Radovid and the North (he sent Runewright, Nibras...) Plus in this artwork we see Cleaver and Wiley’s men about to fight some mercenaries, so it must have happened during the period the gangs were still active.
@Mechemik why was the netflix template changed again? The plain text just before link looks awful, especially amidst references (I am working on Eist biography, thats where I see it). Can we please get it back to where it was a week or so ago?
I would rather have it all as link. It might be a personal preference, but people actually do call this series Netflix's The Witcher (especially when trying to distinguish it) so I don't see my request as far-fetched.
Also; working on an elaborate description of Eist, I realized just how much I miss concrete quote template. I would like people to complete imerse themselves while reading about characters here and therefore planned to added quotes directly from Eist to (at least the majority of) sections about his life. Could it be brought back?
@Juraj: I'm not a fan of the plain quote style because 1) on mobile it won't matter (mobile view will automatically make any quote templates use a huge font/style that's really off-putting) so it won't be immersed anyways for the majority of our views and 2) for desktop it's just way too plain and I like the quotes to stand out (after all, we're including the quotes typically because they're a memorable/important part) otherwise you might as well just add the text straight into the article itself rather than use a quote template.
@SMiki: eh, I just use the stub template in the section if absolutely needed, but for ones where the info isn't even released yet (like the shows) TBA works because we can't exactly add anymore info right now until the shows are actually out xD If you want, maybe we can create a different template along the lines of "this content isn't released/available yet" situation?
Banquet section: "Draig Bon-Dhu, play us the song of the battle of Hochebuz. It won't leave us in any doubt as to the tactical maneuvers of commanders–or as to who acquired immortal fame there! To the health of the heroic Calanthe of Cintra!" - Eist
Reign section: "By the Gods of the Sea, as my permanently absent husband would say!" - Calanthe
Battle section: here I plan to add whatever he says during the battle in the show, it's supposedly epic
Well even if we change the header (which I doubt will ever happen for those pages), the main issue would be that instead of being redirected to a certain header, it would just redirect at the top of the page... just like if you don't put the #. So what's the problem if we keep it? It's useful in cases of pages that got lots of headers.
That's the problem though, we have changed them in the past (I've found so many that had "#in The Witcher 2") and when that header ceases to exists, it does the same thing regardless: takes them to the top of the article page and nothing else, meaning it's adding unnecessary text to the other page when that happens. Also that page really doesn't have that many, compared to say titles (where I instead have the words re-direct directly to the header instead of editing each page with it).
Those should be like the titles: the name should re-direct to that page anyways. If you want, you can edit the re-direct page to include it (like for example, if you look at the "duke" redirect, it shows the # after it, just not included in actual article pages).
We see the Empire adopting this method even for the Usurper after all... but even the other wars didn't end well and yet they’re still present in Nilfgaardian archives, some events like Brenna are even in the academy exams :/