Hey Juraj, so I found someone (Celess22) who's been able to get the wowwiki templates to work here, but he needs access to edit the JS page to fix a problem between it and the css, and that can only be done if he's given admins rights from a bureaucrat. I am checking on community central if there'a way to give temp. rights, but assuming there isn't, is that something you'd want to do?
Strange, didn't see this until now, sorry about that. Yeah, I was noticing as I was going through categories we seem to have two that are the same "Royalty" and "Royal family members". Obviously one needs to go.
Also, should House of Trojden and House of Thyssen somehow be combined, as they're both Kovir/Poviss royalty?
Oh btw, what are your thoughts on the "queens and consorts" category? I know it's not very often, but I've found a few male characters that were consorts, so it doesn't feel right to have it labeled that. I was thinking maybe just have "Rulers" and "Consorts" as opposed to what we currently have ("Monarchs" and "Queens and Consorts").
Oh, ok xD Wasn't sure yet if I was going to make a tree for Kaedwen's, on account that their family line is very sporadic and so few of them.
Oh, I also noticed something odd with the Kovir and Poviss monarch navbox. Why is Godamba, Scarab, Otto, and Guido listed under "other members" when they weren't born or even married into royalty? I could see possibly having Edmund on there because he married Alicja, but the rest?
Info at Corbett's right, do you plan to continue with others? I would really appreciate it, however before adding in these things, check others (for example genalogy containts evidence that Viviana wasn't Ceran's only child ;)
We don't. There was theory about name being used by more rulers but I doubt. Elven ancestry, perhaps? And how about Deirdre?
Eventually yeah, I'd like to add what info I can from the genealogy site to help expand each character. Unfortunately Benda didn't appear to have a page on the site as I'm getting errors when I try to click links to it so I can't find anything on Deirdre.
Benda is mentioned on Esteril's page as the one that broke the news to the grandparents, but as Benda's link is broken (or never had his page added) I don't know if it was to the same Benda during Gedovius' time.
No, only mentions something about the coat of arms and the legend of how the two met the twin sisters and through those marriages as to why Calanthe and Meve are distant cousins. They don't even have so much as a link.
I think that was referring to the two families (Coram being Cintra and Ceran being Lyria/Rivia) but yes, considering Meve is supposedly related to Calanthe through that branch, its possible they had another child that continued the Lyria/Rivia line. That or the author messed up some details :p
Oh, yeah Calanthe's page on that site mentioned Meve briefly (basically Calanthe was trying to find a husband, but one of the rumors going around was that she was having a relationship with her distant cousin, Meve). But that was the only thing mentioned about her.
True. Perhaps you noticed but in 8h I am leaving for Italy where I'll stay for 12-days. Also can you please recheck Witch hunter? For wording and the problem with concept art, also could you clean-up gallery there? I think it doesnt need that many.
I've been thinking, since in game we see the Temerian COA is the one with the 3 lilies, should we do away with the other versions and switch it to the in game one? Or is it described differently in the novels?
Well, that's why I was asking if there's a more percise version xD You say it was lilies studded all over, but did it say percisely how many? If not, we could make them large enough to show they are lilies while still studded all over the flag/coa.
Well, it's more of a display annoyance issue :p As I said earlier, for someone not familiar with the books (basically came here from the games) they won't immediately recognize the studded lilies flag as the games use the 3 lilies, and unfortunately the flag we have is so small as a infoicon, you can't tell they're lilies.
btw, a couple things in case you didn't see the conversation with Bizippo: need help classifying kingdoms, duchies, principalities, etc. and rewording articles to reflect that as using "region" is too ambiguous (can mean everything from a forest area to a country/kingom). Also, I'm not sure about the history of Sodden (upper and lower) as one page mentions they were combined back into Sodden but ruled over by Temeria but the other two pages don't mention it.
One of the ones I'm not sure how to classify is Riverdell. Is it a country or just a forest or what?
Also, I'm making an edit to the character infobox to make displaying COA easier, however it's going to make all current ones that do display it show some code around. If you find these, let me know or you can fix it by leaving just the file name and remove the rest in the COA field (I made it work like the locations box).
Sodden got united under Foltest in Peace of Cintra, thats true. Riverdell's region like Pontaria. Wouldn't call it nation. A title of "Archduke of Ban Ard" was held by Henselt but archduchy itself's mentioned nowhere (you can delete the page). You can also delete Duchy of Hengfors, it once existed as a Henfors' city state but info there could very well be in History of city. Duchy page's redunant.
I'll look into it after return. However I'm sure Archduchy of Ban Ard and Duchy of Hengfors are redunant. BTW can you merge Mahakams and Brokilons? I once divided it as state/location but now I think it was wrong.
Unfortunately, from what I've been able to gather on past posts, it's not the community they had a problem with but Wikia itself. Censoring nudity, taking up more and more real estate for ads, etc. so for there to even be a remote possibility of merging, a lot would have to change that we don't have control over.
well, you guys can help me with this list. I realized we need a better way to categorize countries but to do that, need to figure out what each one falls under first to reflect accurately on their pages.
Yes and no. I don't claim any of it's accurate (all the information was pulled from their articles). The notes though help to point out where I saw possible inconsistencies or asking someone else to verify it if possible.
Well...for starters, I think we can consider Brokilon just a forest. It's inhabited just by dryads and there are no cities (just little and wild settlements) or anything which could make that terrain a "state" or a "kingdom".
Hmm, looks like we need a more defined word for this. I've looked up a few real word examples similar to their sitatuion (like Greenland and Faroe Islands to Denmark) and essentially they're labeled as "autonomous countries" and that "Sovereign state" really means the equivalent of country/kingdom (one that's not dependent on another power). But I'm no expert on country definitions, so I'm still looking to see if there's a better word.
Or maybe it's better to stick to "vassal state"? I know it's an outdated word, but none of the modern day terms work (protectorate means more like the home country provides protection, puppet refers more to the real country in charge is behind the scenes, etc.)
Yeah it is. To topic: Mahakam is de iure vassal while Dol Blathanna is referred to in books as allod.
BTW: I have a dilemma. In Wiedźmin: Gra Wyobraźni Order of the White Rose is said to be Kreve cult militant, but in The World of the Witcher by CDPR its secular (without religious allegiance). I checked book where they are and there is nothing about subject. They consider Nenneke's powers superstion but on other hand they respect the Temple. Thoughts?
Hmm, no equivalent for allod, so maybe just put it in the "kingdom" category but then specify on its page it's an allod. Also, I see on Dol Blathanna's page it's said it was turned into a duchy from the Peace of Cintra, does that still hold true?
Yeah, I've been watching him closely and using rollback when needed. I've tried to let them know some of the basic styles we do, but they're just ignoring that to the point Gulfwulf had to protect Geralt's page (they were trying to add the ENTIRE list of Geralt's lovers from everything).
Well, technically almost every COA/flag on this wiki are unofficial xD but it's pretty much the only accept "fan art" we allow because otherwise we'd be without any visuals (other than from the games).
Probably, but it appears what wiki does is pick the first picture on the page that isn't used very often. I wish there was a better way to tell it what to use as a thumbnail, as sometimes it skips over the infobox and will use another picture instead, or something completely unrelated (like I know one category, it uses a real country's flag for some reason).
Use ones like the fancy COA first but if there isn't, the drawings are fine, and if it doesn't have either one, the regular COA (if the drawing and COA are drastically different, like style, color, etc. use the regular COA).
Ok, I wanted to run this by you first in case you saw any objections to it. I'm thinking of running the bot to change the dash used in categories to a hypen to make it easier to find a category as there's no way to type a dash without using codes which require a numpad (which most laptops don't have). Thoughts?
Oh how to put it... ok, a dash is like a long hypen and what a lot of our categories currently use (like Images — Characters). Unfortunately, that dash can't be typed like a normal character on a keyboard. In fact, the only way to type it here on the wikia is if the person knows the alt code and has a numpad to enter the code or do what I did and copy and paste the dash, and both are sucky options and makes it harder to put an image in the right category. For example, say I want to put an image in the characters category for HoS, I can try typing in characters in the category box, but if there are more popular ones with "characters" in the name, it won't pop up, so then I have to type out the entire category name by hand, including the dash, which I can only do by copying it from elsewhere first. If it gets changed to a hypen though, which is on a keyboard, it'll make it far easier to put things in categories if they need type it by hand.
Those weren't from that game. Those were images created by someone who yes, worked on some official stuff, but those particular images weren't official (basically fan art by a previous worker on the series).
oh wait, some were. The artist just couldn't remember who he sold the illustrations to xD
btw, is there anything in the books that confirms the head of goverment for various kingdoms were royal councils? V9o9 is creating these pages for each country but I'm not sure of their status (if they actually were head of governement or just a council, like a team of advisors).
Foltest definetly had council of nobles, commanders, priest and mages. They were his advisors but if King decided A, they couldn't change it to B if you know what I mean. Nothing about other countries.
So they were more of advisors then and not really heads of government. btw, I also did a temp block on them for a few days because they keep making edits that, more often than not, need to be rolled back or fixed up repeatedly.
What we know for certain is that they are monarchy, that Nilfgaard generally doesn't meddle in their affairs and that themselves have vassals (Salm & Venendal). Isn't it enough? They are part of Empire as much as Toussaint...
Kerack, city located in the north of the kingdom of Cidaris (...) following the inept rule and the extinction of the ruling line, the kingdom dwindled, lost its standing and was eventually annexed and divided among its neighbours. - rough translation
So, wanted to run this by you before I looked into it further. I've been looking over having a DPL enabled for the site (dynamic page list). Basically, we could use it to create information from say, all Tw3 potions and create a table with the information we chose. That way, instead of having to update both the list and the individual page, we'd just update the individual and it'd update the list automatically. The downside is DPLs can bog down the server, by how much, I don't know. Plus, it would remove some of our set up. For instance, the oils would be most likely ordered by name so they'd no longer be grouped together, and items that have different versions (like some armor have crafted, common, magic, master, etc. versions) would only reflect one most likely (not sure what it'd do when it detects several infoboxes on one page). I've tried to look over the pages that would most benefit from this and can only name maybe 10, mostly the bombs, oils, and potion pages, along with the ingredients, so it may not be practical.
Also, this may not be practical, but perhaps a way to cut down on the increasing number of couple sentence pages, we should have something like a "Minor charcters" list or something where they're all listed together?
I asked you because you run bot, so you could change links. I definetly don't agree characters like Torgeir, Lugos Harelip, Herman are historical etc. Should've their owm pages. I agreed to ranks and unit types lists but I'm strongly against this.
Well because most of them don't contain every info available (Torgeir for example). While I am at it, maybe you could also move Bran from "an Tuirseach" to "Tuirseach"? He's mentioned as such in BaW and only book-known relative, Eist, also has it without an.
I prefer it simple, like the House of Raven page, where it just lists the members, as having a lot of descriptions starts to make the page look unwieldy and I think the page should act more like a general info (if they want to learn more, read a character's specific page).
Yes I agree. Another thing's specifically about clans. We've members like Bran, Eist and Svanrige - that's clear. But how about characters like Folan or Skjall, who wear clan colors and are mentioned as members but they aren't "main line"?
Well, we got a couple different ways we've been doing things. One way has been to list leaders separately from others (commonly used on kingdom pages). Another option that we've done a lot on family pages is to do it by gender.
Ok, done. Because Novigrad's weird status, I've gone ahead and added it to the city-state category, but not sure about changing the box. Right now it uses the location infobox, but perhaps it should use the Kingdom one instead and move the location one down to Tw3?
As for the Slopes, do you mean it was once a kingdom and later became part of Temeria? (principality, region, etc.)
Sodden: so did it regain its kingdom status or did it become a principality or duchy, etc. under Temeria?
Strept: principality or just a region?
Also, I noticed the Venendal page is a disambig. between the county and a division. Was the division actually called "Venendal Division" or just Venendal? May need to rename it if the latter.
I'm really against having 2 boxes on one page. Why move it to TW3? The city appears in other Witcher media as well so it wouldn't make much sense. I feel like you can freely change box to Kingdom. AFAIK only localization will disappear.
It was always part of something, Sodden, Cintra, Temeria...
They became vassals of Temeria and King Foltest was given a title of Prince.
The fief of Cintra, ruled by Lords Strept. That is all info provided.
Well, main issue with Novigrad is because of it's weird status as a city within a country but is independent. Essentially, if I switched it to the kingdom box, we'd lose the city pic (be moved elsewhere) and all the location bits except the maps. Though granted, that page really needs some fixing, it feels very... disorganized.
I'm not sure about keeping such lists in general. We've clans, dynasties, titles, organizations... but I think states and cities would look better without those lists. Landmarks and buildings are key though. Also, I agree with you on refs.
Ok, I removed any general building stuff (like ones that just said factories) and had no pages and moved short information into notes like when the merchant in Tw1 is mentioned and the Hexer info. Look better?
It could go either way. I mean, if anything, could just do a redirect from King of the Skellige Isles to link to the correct term, Konung.
Also, speaking of correct terms, are the Troyden names not translated right? For instance, Anna Trojdenidka, is the "idka" part basically just an add-on for Polish to signify female? Because if so, her name along with a couple others (like Gedovius Trojdenida) need to be changed to "Troyden" as English doesn't use such signifiers.
That could be done but Konung is used only 2 times in game and 1 in Gra Wyobrazni. While King of the Skellige Isles is simpler and appears more often. It's also easier to "understand" (people seeing Konung might not know until clicking, while King(...) is pretty straight).
Gedovius Troydenid is an official translation as I now googled so yeah, you're right about "idka".
Well, I'll get around to fixing it in a bit. Someone was being an idiot and added "Konung" as the ruler of every location in Skelliege and as they made several other formatting mistakes, I'm having to edit each one manually.
What I mean that titles "King of Temeria", "of Redania", "of Kaedwen" and "of Aedirn" were all held by single houses throughout history. Do you think you could someone merge it? Lists could be deleted then
No what I have on mind is merging of Redanian Dynasty and List of Redanian monarchs etc with all Four Kingdoms. Or we could do page about general title but that would be weird since Skellige has its own
Ok, make sure I understand this correctly: do you mean merge dynasty and list into one page or merge them into Four Kingdoms?
Also, if you happen to see some dumbass remark on my message wall, just delete it and ban the anon. Someone yesterday, instead of simply letting me know the link for renamed page hadn't been udpated in the navigation decided they would learn curse words and use them incorrectly in about 5 posts on my wall and one on the other page. Then left another gibberish one today. I've banned both IPs, but I know they change theirs (like V9o9 I'm 99% certain did the other day, as some edits they made were identical to past ones).
What I'm trying to say is about merging Redanian Dynasty + King of Redania (atm List of...), than Temerian Dynasty + King of Temeria and same with Aedirn and Kaedwen as these titles remained in single families AFAIK. Clear?
Yeah sure, if I happen to notice I'll take necessary steps.
Maybe we sould set a limit to the number of rulers before they have a page? For example, if we only know of one or two rulers for a kingdom, it may be better to individually link them than to create another stub page.
I don't know, that seems to be the only past source of that. My guess is either it's from one of the books or was originally in the game but later removed. Third possibility is maybe another witcher book (like the artbooks) but it's not from Tw3's artbook.
Only in passing (something about how the keep overlooks the village). The developers incorrectly labeled Kaer Trolde as the fortress itself it seems rather than the village (which in game is the harbor).